Yes, its over. If you continue to argue after this point, get out a marker and write the word 'irrational' across your forehead.

Now, how do we buff the other races up to par, without having to nerf Matar into the Stone Age?

Here are the cold, hard facts:
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This is incorrect. In a series of tests against targets with random HP numbers, the higher dps weapon will always score more final blows. This is basic probability.

No, as I have said many times: 1) we should play out the hybrid buff first, and 2) I DONT think Matar should be nerfed if it can be helped. I prefer buffs to balance. I thought I said position 2 in the OP...

Basically, nerf kiting ships.

Hybrids and lasers both need the same treatment to ammo that projectiles had. There are eight bands to hybrid ammo. That's just confusing. And it would be nice if Amarr had more choices then scorch or MF.

Suggestions (Paraphrased):
- Nerf AC damage by 5%
- Nerf Falloff on TCs and TEs
- Nerf Scorch in order to boost long range weapons
- Boost unbonused ewar
- Nerf ECM

the set-ups shown as examples were not optimal to taking full advantage of the Ruptures performance

So why, then, does everyone say that projectiles are too imbalanced on Minmatar hulls?

-Liang pointed out Diemost with 2 TEs and null gets 27km including falloff, deals almost no dps at point range/OH range of 24-28km, and goes at 2k m/s. I pointed out Vega with 2 TEs get 50km including falloff, deals 85% dps at point range, and goes at 3k m/s. Liang stops responding. Liang says so, therefore it must be so.

"-Liang pointed out Diemost with 2 TEs and null gets 27km including falloff, deals almost no dps at point range/OH range of 24-28km, and goes at 2k m/s. I pointed out Vega with 2 TEs get 50km including falloff, deals 85% dps at point range, and goes at 3k m/s. Liang stops responding. Liang says so, therefore it must be so."

Vaga might apply a greater % of its potential DPS, but that means nothing if the Deimos still deals a higher actual number of DPS. But sure, since you're so utterly incorrect about everything else you said, I'll give it to you that the Vaga may be practically more useful than the Deimos. For kiting. Just because I'm feeling bad for you.

This is data on final blows. Over what time period? What situations? If we are to take these data dumps as evidence for nerfing a whole race of ships or weapon system we'd end up with some of the following (against which I'm sure Caldari complainers would weap mightilly). The Drake is still #1, nerf Drake not Hurricane, or nerf both. Buff Muninn and nerf Cerb. Nerf Crow and buff Claw and Stilletto. Oh and of course the best one, nerf Tengu.

If we are to read these stats as a recipe for nerfs, then nerf Megathron, Thanatos, Taranis. But isn't it Gallente moaning about being on the bottom?

Alternately, everyone seems concerned that diminishing the recent TE/TC falloff buff will also hit blasters. However, the falloff ranges have become somewhat out of whack. A falloff reduction for these mods will hit ac more harshly than balsters. As for the speed situation with blaster boats and ac boats, would it not make more sense to boost straight line speed for gallente but keep minmatar as most agile. Blasters just got a tracking buff. Giving blaster boats more agility in addition would imperil any ac boat ability to gain range back.

These stats need to be refined and explained more. Also the Dramiel just got nerfed. WIll it slide down the list? Sorry but the OP is premature to say that argument is over and all the evidence is in. The only decent suggestion I've seen in this thread is to drop the 10% falloff buffs down to 5%. This btw should be done for Caldari missile and hybrid ships as well, some of which even get double 10% range bonuses.

edit- Lol, what so you can read my post? All it shows me is "there was a problem with parsing this bbccode crap.

Ok, so what is not making sense about my statment on nerfs, that if this data is being used for people to promote nerfs on minmatar and ac but not the mega sitting at number 1. It is not receiving similar calls for nerf. Why not?

1. Reduce the falloff bonuses from the angel ships that have it,

4. Remove/reduce speed penalty from armor rigs (have to be careful here because this will effect everyone - but amarr already have lower base speed - but might cause issues with armor matar ships)

5. Change the fitting balances between the races in some classes of ships (though this needs to be examined - it may be just perception - i dont think so though).

I'm more for reducing the 10% bonus to 5% in all matari ships that have them.

the ships that have this bonus seems to be the ones that "demonize" of sorts this situation.

One more thing i keep reading all these post about AC fighting in fall off. Blaster Boats if they are even lucky enough to catch the other ship have to fight in 2x falloff or 25% total damage so how is this fair

FIxed. Not only are blasters trash, blaster ships are trash too. There isn't a single one worth flying, except incursion vindicator lol.

Actually. The Absolution has the better active defence. Even with low grade crystals on the Sleipnir. The Absolution is still superior. However, it does not come close in terms of damage output. but yeah! It takes High grade crystal's before the Sleipnir has a superior active tank.

The Claymore is better than both for direct combat solo. Mainly because of the it's immense tank. While out damaging a Absolution and even a Astarte because of damage selection. Cost to preformance there is no reason to buy a Sleipnir over a claymore solo, but it makes sense for fitting artillery and superior damage with logistics back up.

In fact it takes high grade crystals for any active shield tanking ship to out tank it's Armour counterpart. Been a long time myth that shield active tank is superior. It is in the sense the boost is instant. However you have to put alot into shield active ships (implants) to compete on sheer amount of damage mitigation of active armour ships.